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Claudine Notacat's avatar

I've been a 9/11 skeptic since 9/12/2001. Great article.

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Erik, I'm very glad that you have covered this topic - it is so important that it should be periodically re-discussed.

You are of course right in that it was one of the defining events of our generation, and not in a nice way. I remember that day distinctly, in my corner of the world it was almost lunch time, i was at home preparing my September college exams, and "the show" started almost during the TV news time- for added, real time shock.

Regarding your model: i am (thank god) no structural engineer, just took some mandatory materials science, mechanics and industrial structure design courses, but i've spent quite some time with MechEngs, looking in awe at their AutoCAD, SolidWorks or CATIA screens so that maybe some of their knowledge has percolated by osmosis into me. Having said that, here my comments:

1. Yes, the plane body is very stiff resistant against compression (like, when flying - obviously), but what if the strike against the tower "skin" is not perfectly perpendicular but at an angle? I would guess even if the attack angle is just 80deg instead of 90deg, things would start to look different.

2. Related - while the plane body might be very stiff against orthogonal compression, what about the slenderness coefficient? (i guess this is the right English term) - Once the plane body hits the building, might it be the case that the body would start to knick in the same way as a soda crumples when compressed at an angle?

3. The floor structure - i guess this should have been included into the model as this is a lot of steel supporting the building "skin" and in the way of the plane trajectory and the planes by their size would have hit i guess at least 2 to 3 floors.

4. The building core itself. From my quick search here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Trade_Center_Building_Design_with_Floor_and_Elevator_Arrangment.svg

there was between 12m and 20m of free space inside the tower between the outer skin and the tower hardcore. Then, that would be the final stop of the plane trip, and with extreme prejudice at that. That means that the plane (ca. 50m long) would embed itself roughly up to that distance into the building until hit the proverbial wall, leaving 30 to 35 more meters of extra fuselage, body, tail, etc. to be crumpled and "disappeared" into the open space inside the building. We have seen the images a million times already. The whole plane "disappears" inside the building. Not even a small part of the tail (that supposedly is some of the most resistant areas) remains to be seen. Rather, the holes look... empty. Suspicious.

5. F.E.M. - i haven't the slightest clue of how to to these, but i guess (from my time in the machine building industry) that those tools could to a good job modelling the plane impact & its deformation.

Anyway, as you also kind of suggest, the investigation has reached a hopeless dead point. There are so many false clues, dead ends, open questions, contradictory evidence, and general unspecific shyte, that it is almost impossible to formulate a solid hypothesis of the main towers collapse. Even the most "mainstream" ones, like the demolition using thermite or similar stuff is in itself pretty wild, as the amount of explosives needed (like, fucking truckloads!) and number of points where the cutting charges would have to be placed (like, freaking hundreds across the whole TWO buildings!!) would have made the operation quite a logistics nightmare.

I admit that at some point i was fascinated with the nuclear demolition theory put forward by a very shady Russian guy. Not only is nuclear demolition a thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_demolition_munition

But, also, a shallow underground nuclear explosion can (more or less) be shaped into a kind of focused "nuclear blowtorch" shooting up and vaporizing most of the building, while leaving molten metal in the depths of the rubble heap and "glassifiying" the soil deep down the building foundations.

See e.g. here & feel free to fall down the rabbit hole:

https://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Library/Effects/UndergroundEffects.html

https://www.atomicarchive.com/resources/documents/effects/glasstone-dolan/chapter6.html

But this is still pretty wild...

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